Medical forfeit
Quote from winbypin on February 18, 2024, 2:09 pmUs it just me or are there way more medical forfeits happening lately?? Seems to be an epidemic. Let's not kud ourselves, we all know what's going on.
Us it just me or are there way more medical forfeits happening lately?? Seems to be an epidemic. Let's not kud ourselves, we all know what's going on.
Quote from Reaper on February 18, 2024, 5:12 pmQuote from winbypin on February 18, 2024, 2:09 pmUs it just me or are there way more medical forfeits happening lately?? Seems to be an epidemic. Let's not kid ourselves, we all know what's going on.
You know if someone gets beat that don't think they should have been beaten it kind of hurts their feelings and its easier to go out with a medical forfeit than finish the tournament.
Quote from winbypin on February 18, 2024, 2:09 pmUs it just me or are there way more medical forfeits happening lately?? Seems to be an epidemic. Let's not kid ourselves, we all know what's going on.
You know if someone gets beat that don't think they should have been beaten it kind of hurts their feelings and its easier to go out with a medical forfeit than finish the tournament.
Quote from FoxPro on February 18, 2024, 5:46 pmI realize that injuries can and do happen; however, from my review of the brackets it appears to be that it had more to do with protecting criteria. I’m not going to mention any names because I know this thread would immediately be taken down. I am hoping this is something that will be addressed for the sake of the sport.
I realize that injuries can and do happen; however, from my review of the brackets it appears to be that it had more to do with protecting criteria. I’m not going to mention any names because I know this thread would immediately be taken down. I am hoping this is something that will be addressed for the sake of the sport.
Quote from Fat125 on February 18, 2024, 7:56 pmI really hope they go back to counting medical forfeits as losses. That was probably a poor rule change they made.
I really hope they go back to counting medical forfeits as losses. That was probably a poor rule change they made.
Quote from WellArmed on February 20, 2024, 11:25 amQuote from Fat125 on February 18, 2024, 7:56 pmI really hope they go back to counting medical forfeits as losses. That was probably a poor rule change they made.
In ND, during the regular season, a MFF counts as a loss, but doesn't count against the wrestler in head-to-head seeding criteria.
However, IF you MFF at regionals, it DOES count against a wrestler in head-to-head criteria.
What happened to to Burk Blasius from Wall? Hopefully he's okay and will be able to compete at state.
Quote from Fat125 on February 18, 2024, 7:56 pmI really hope they go back to counting medical forfeits as losses. That was probably a poor rule change they made.
In ND, during the regular season, a MFF counts as a loss, but doesn't count against the wrestler in head-to-head seeding criteria.
However, IF you MFF at regionals, it DOES count against a wrestler in head-to-head criteria.
What happened to to Burk Blasius from Wall? Hopefully he's okay and will be able to compete at state.
Quote from Fat125 on February 20, 2024, 1:13 pmQuote from WellArmed on February 20, 2024, 11:25 amIn ND, during the regular season, a MFF counts as a loss, but doesn't count against the wrestler in head-to-head seeding criteria.
However, IF you MFF at regionals, it DOES count against a wrestler in head-to-head criteria.
What happened to to Burk Blasius from Wall? Hopefully he's okay and will be able to compete at state.
I understand the rationale, but I just think this incentivizes kids to med forfeit towards the end of the season (I believe this happened way more in the last month than it did in the first month at least in SD). If you med forfeit it will at most cost you 2 losses, maybe 3 if it happens in the semis. With most athletes getting around 50 matches, I dont think their season is lost because of 4% - 6% of their matches show up as losses. I think counting these as losses, and counting them in H2H criteria will help to keep everyone more honest and less "seed saving" will occur. I know not everyone will agree, but that is my 2 cents.
Quote from WellArmed on February 20, 2024, 11:25 am
In ND, during the regular season, a MFF counts as a loss, but doesn't count against the wrestler in head-to-head seeding criteria.
However, IF you MFF at regionals, it DOES count against a wrestler in head-to-head criteria.
What happened to to Burk Blasius from Wall? Hopefully he's okay and will be able to compete at state.
I understand the rationale, but I just think this incentivizes kids to med forfeit towards the end of the season (I believe this happened way more in the last month than it did in the first month at least in SD). If you med forfeit it will at most cost you 2 losses, maybe 3 if it happens in the semis. With most athletes getting around 50 matches, I dont think their season is lost because of 4% - 6% of their matches show up as losses. I think counting these as losses, and counting them in H2H criteria will help to keep everyone more honest and less "seed saving" will occur. I know not everyone will agree, but that is my 2 cents.
Quote from onthemat on February 20, 2024, 11:37 pmI would guess it has more to do with trying to be as healthy as possible at the state tournament than it does with preserving a seed. As was pointed out, many of the athletes are getting around 50 matches. That's a lot of wear and tear on the body. There's a reason that in college most get much closer to half that many matches. I'm not comparing the grind of college to HS, just pointing out that it is indeed a grind and that the pinnacle of the season is this week...so best to try to get there healthy (or at least as healthy as possible). Good luck to all this weekend!
I would guess it has more to do with trying to be as healthy as possible at the state tournament than it does with preserving a seed. As was pointed out, many of the athletes are getting around 50 matches. That's a lot of wear and tear on the body. There's a reason that in college most get much closer to half that many matches. I'm not comparing the grind of college to HS, just pointing out that it is indeed a grind and that the pinnacle of the season is this week...so best to try to get there healthy (or at least as healthy as possible). Good luck to all this weekend!
Quote from interesting on February 21, 2024, 8:44 amQuote from onthemat on February 20, 2024, 11:37 pmI would guess it has more to do with trying to be as healthy as possible at the state tournament than it does with preserving a seed. As was pointed out, many of the athletes are getting around 50 matches. That's a lot of wear and tear on the body. There's a reason that in college most get much closer to half that many matches. I'm not comparing the grind of college to HS, just pointing out that it is indeed a grind and that the pinnacle of the season is this week...so best to try to get there healthy (or at least as healthy as possible). Good luck to all this weekend!
I agree completely. I think there will always be suspicion of seed preservation (and some amount of it does happen, and not all of it is actually nefarious - for example, they need minimum # of matches to even be seeded), it is sort of human nature for some to think that way especially given that winning % is a big part of the the seed criteria for state/regions.
Good luck to all!
Quote from onthemat on February 20, 2024, 11:37 pmI would guess it has more to do with trying to be as healthy as possible at the state tournament than it does with preserving a seed. As was pointed out, many of the athletes are getting around 50 matches. That's a lot of wear and tear on the body. There's a reason that in college most get much closer to half that many matches. I'm not comparing the grind of college to HS, just pointing out that it is indeed a grind and that the pinnacle of the season is this week...so best to try to get there healthy (or at least as healthy as possible). Good luck to all this weekend!
I agree completely. I think there will always be suspicion of seed preservation (and some amount of it does happen, and not all of it is actually nefarious - for example, they need minimum # of matches to even be seeded), it is sort of human nature for some to think that way especially given that winning % is a big part of the the seed criteria for state/regions.
Good luck to all!
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